Tuesday, October 21, 2003

Rejecting the Homosexual Church - The Church of Hell - Part Two

Up to this point I have concentrated on Scriptural passages that have been wrongly used to condemn homosexuals and homosexuality. But since it is my desire to dispel myths and bring truths to light, I think it is equally important to examine some passages in the Bible that are actually speaking a clear word of hope and love to the gay community.
To that end, we will shift our focus in this section to a discussion of Scriptural stories that are all too often conveniently overlooked when studying the Bible to see what God has to say on this topic.
Jonathan and David The Bible has often been used as a weapon to condemn homosexuality as sinful or immoral. It is often overlooked and even outrightly denied that some of the heroes in the Bible were themselves homosexual. The story of Jonathan and David is one of the more obvious cases
This is the real problem that you have my friend. Believing the biblical record indicates that David and Jonathan [and others] were homosexuals. This is outright blasphemy as you have failed the very beginning of the book. To continue in this doctrine you will in no wise enter into heaven and indeed, your very salvation is at stake. Did thejedshed pronounce this judgment on you my friend? I think not.
Matthew 7:19-24 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen:1:27-28
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen:1:31
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Gen:2:24
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Gen:4:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Gen:5:1-2
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Gen:6:19
And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. Gen:7:16
Somewhere between the beginning and today we have this problem of homosexuality and to celebrate diversity. God never intended diversity as was proclaimed with Nimrod and the tower of Babel. The issue that I have is where does God accept homosexuality. Even still, where is it blessed and encouraged to move forward and prosper?
And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. Gen:11:4
But God instructed them to: Go forth and multiply: Gen.1:27 Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: So it is here that we have our first contradiction to Gods word and it did not take long according to the record of Genesis. The results of this world and their actions was total destruction. The Flood. It was not just homosexuality but all sin.
The Beginnings of Mankind: Genesis 1-11
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/highlights/ch1...
A WOMAN'S IDENTITY
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/misc/3626s.html
EXIT FROM EDEN
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/genesis/0320.h...
THE MAKING OF WOMAN
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/genesis/0313.h...
THE MAKING OF MAN
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/genesis/0312.h...
WHAT IS HEADSHIP
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/1corinthians/3...
WHAT ARE BODIES FOR
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/1corinthians/3...
We are taught by the world that sex is that which only touches us at the physical level. In the modern movements of today that call themselves "Sexual Freedom Movements," "Feminist Movements," "Woman's Rights" and other things, we are getting the philosophy handed to us that sexual differences between male and female are basically shallow, superficial, external differences. At heart, they say, we are human beings. But the Word of God never tells us that. In the Scripture, from the very moment that man appears on the scene until the end, as far as we are carried into the reaches of eternity, man appears as two sexes: "Male and female created he them," {Gen 1:27 KJV}. That division between our sexuality is pervasive; it runs all through our whole being. We are not only different, male and female, in our physical bodies, but we are different in the way we approach each other in our attitudes, our emotions, our reactions.
NEW MORALITY OR ANCIENT FOOLISHNESS?
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/ephesians/0126...
The Parable of Motherhood
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/elaine/ch14.ht...
Woman in Eden Part 1 and 2
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/elaine/ch9.html
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/elaine/ch10.ht...
As we noted earlier, the first mention of a male/female creation in the Scriptures confirms that, (1) both were created in the image and likeness of God; (2) both were given dominion over the earth and every living thing on the earth; (3) both were given the command to "be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it"; and (4) God provided sustenance for all of his creation.
Since both male and female were made in the image and likeness of God, each was equipped for spiritual autonomy, under their Creator, and within the purpose of God. He vested in each the faculty for making moral choices; this differentiated humanity from beast. Genesis 1:1 through 2:4 is the summary of creation. In it there is no suggestion of differences between man and woman.
Genesis 2:4b through 25 is the detailed account of the creation of man and woman, and this passage is critical to the understanding of our sexuality. Jesus and Paul both derive their teaching on sexual relationships in marriage, the church, and society from this body of truth. A careful and reverent (submissive) scrutiny of it is imperative. The following is offered in the hope it will serve as a catalyst to a more profound investigation, by and for both men and women. It will be an attempt to ferret out some of the subjective truth of the passage, to complement the usual more objective teaching of this and other related passages.
The opening chapters of Genesis are archetypal; that is, they are the predecessor of future events. Thus we find ourselves continually involved in the creative process, constantly confronted with the issue of sexuality, besieged with satanic efforts to delude us, preying on our own yen to play God. As it was in the beginning, so it continues to be.
Behold, Children are a Gift of the Lord
http://pbc.org/dp/ritchie/S909.html
Warfare:The battle for the mind
http://pbc.org/dp/grant/life/life03.html
INATTENTION TO TRUE SEXUAL FREEDOM
SERIES: MORAL AND ETHICAL ISSUES IN THE CHURCH
http://pbc.org/dp/goins/4520.html
Spiritual Principles Concerning Gender
in a Christian Marriage and the Church
http://pbc.org/gender.html
THE AGE OF CONFUSION
Chapter Two. Matthew 24:1-14
http://www.pbc.org/dp/stedman/olivet/oli...

WHAT IS A TRUE CHRISTIAN
One thing I do want to say is that you are right when you wrote is that a true Christian is one who lives their faith as anyone can say anything about what they believe. That is the reason why I love the Epistle of James as it talks about living our faith. In peace, Aelred
What is then [your faith]? This Epistle of James is not referring to you but is ABOUT people like you. How do we know this? Because my friend, I have already posted an exegesis on this Epistle already. You and all who profess such beliefs are condemned by this Epistle. Read it for yourself again.
The Epistle of James Matthew Henry Commentary
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
The leading truths of Christianity are set forth throughout; and on attentive consideration, it will be found entirely to agree with Paul's statements concerning grace and justification, while it abounds with earnest exhortations to the patience of hope and obedience of faith and love, interspersed with warnings, reproofs, and encouragements, according to the characters addressed. The truths laid down are very serious, and necessary to be maintained; and the rules for practice ought to be observed in all times. In Christ there are no dead and sapless branches, faith is not an idle grace; wherever it is, it brings forth fruit in works.
Jude says 1:7: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
JUDE: Contending For The Faith by Ray C. Stedman
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
What is [your idea of sin]? Who are on the [broad way]? Who then goes to [hell]? The reason I ask these simple questions is that I have given plenty of examples where men of God have interpreted the scriptures and made them easy to understand. You have rejected every biblical scholar with the exception of self-professing homosexuals. Therefore you are on a crusade to promote homosexuality according to your agenda. By doing such you have corrupted entirely the biblical record top to bottom all the while making yourself look foolish and ignorant concerning these passages of scripture and their intentions. You blame us for [hate and personal attacks] yet all the while promoting your self-destructive lifestyle and claiming [we are hateful and against you as a person]. Indeed you present your argument as intolerant and it is you who have become hateful and offer personal attacks. I personally have declared to you all along that in no way am I against you as a man as a person. You fail to accept this because it then removes your defense and you have nothing left to use and you then must look at our argument. This type of opposition concerning truth cannot work friend as the only one that remains fooled is yourself.
You have gone as far as taking my messages, reversing the words and applying them to your premise. However, this is not a possibility as I have stated clearly and have demonstrated conclusively, that it is indeed you who have tried to justify your particular sin and in doing so, this is your fruit. A one man crusade, at least here on suite101 to justify your lifestyle. Where is your fruit my friend, concerning the Gospel message? What have you taught to us concerning God and His will for our lives? Where is it that you have created loving friendship in charity with fellowship, in the graces and mercies of God? Indeed, I have seen none. I can guarantee that there will be none as you have separated yourself from the true believers and have aligned yourself with the homosexual agenda. Therefore your message of the Gospel is no message at all as it is just a propagation of your lifestyle [celebrate diversity]. Any person that show you otherwise are considered [hateful and personally attacking you].
This then is the state of a reprobate mind, given into their lust and turned over. Is there any way out for any of you? I doubt it because as long as you remain this hostile there cannot be any fruit for which you will have to offer. It is all in vain and in the end your intentions to [humanize homosexuality] will bring you only dissension and contention, from the [true body of believers]. We never will accept this sin as anything but abominable. Just as asked by Oliver, concerning his fallacy of rejecting a God that [utterly destroy infants and sucklings]. This my friend, is impossible. To reject the Lord God for having destroyed such an evil society under His righteous judgment is His stated works and who am I to question the Lord God.
In addition, all the young people that you will mislead by such blasphemies and falsities, bringing them into damnation for believing these lies. Gods states that this judgment will be harsher for those who do this than those who have not corrupted a young mind. It is therefore asked of you to look again at your situation and ask yourself, am I living the abundant fruit filled life that is promised? I put a sincere doubt that this is a truth for you or any other with such troubles in their spiritual life. For you blame us for your issues for [not accepting you]. This is of course a lie. For what would I care anyway if you choose to reject everything that is presented to you for the sake of sexual freedom. Absurd indeed. Finally, you appear justified by these types of statements:
I must be hitting a raw nerve when you need to personally attack me as you feel you need to defend what you believe.....
No friend, what is my concern if you willfully choose your destination? Do you think that you will always contend with me concerning these matters? Forget it friend as it is nothing more than useless argument to me and it brings nothing in the way of good works or fruit. It offers then to me headaches and is very discouraging. Therefore James says:
Mere hearers are self deceivers and self deceit will be found the worst deceit at last. Here are cautions against corrupt affections, and love of this world, which is enmity to God.
James 4:1-5
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
I posted this article for this very reason. But again, your defense must continue as [we attack you personally]. I think not my friend.
We Christians who oppose homosexuality on the basis of Scripture will be vilified as "heartless", "cruel", "narrow-minded", "bigoted", and "hate mongers".
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
CHURCHES/HOMOSEXUALITY - SIGN OF THE END This is David Bay, Director of Old Paths Ministries.
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
God uses the following words to condemn homosexuality [Lev:18 and 20]
Abomination, The land is defiled and vomits out her inhabitants, Perverse, Unnatural, Abhorrent, Detestable
Sodomy n.
Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality. [Middle English sodomie, from Old French, from Sodome Sodom, from Latin Sodoma, from Greek, from Hebrew sdm.]
Main Entry: Sodomy
Pronunciation: 'sä-d&-mE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Gen 19:1-11 Date: 13th century
1 : copulation with a member of the same sex or with an animal
2 : noncoital and especially anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex
- sod·om·it·ic /"sä-d&-'mi-tik/ or sod·om·it·i·cal /-ti-k&l/ adjective
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
Subject: Re:FYI-yeah TRUTH-Healthy-I think not:
flattery The act or practice of flattering; the act of pleasing by artful commendation or compliments
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...

Book of Romans and Homosexuality In Romans
Paul is warning that many were guilty of worshipping man instead of God and therefore was becoming an idol. The love for that idol is an unnatural love called lust. Some men and women allowed sex to become their god (vile affections) and the result is turning the natural love for sex into something unnatural (verse 26). Paul does not specify what that unnatural sexual conduct is, but it is something not natural for those that have made sex their God. He could have been talking about both the male and female sex goddess prostitutes in the Temple like he was clearly discussing in 1 Cor. For homosexuals this part of the passage should not apply. To a Christian, God is first in their lives and not sex so they would not fall under this condemnation. This message is a diatribe in the most worst of deception and outright lies.
Indeed, you have not understood this book whatsoever. And as well, for the true body of believers, this is our most important book. You would be wise to understand what Paul is talking about as it is nothing to do with [your interpretation] as declared by ALL biblical scholars. Except of course, the self-professing Christian who also is a self-proclaimed [homosexual]. I am sorry to say that you stand alone as none agree with you. You remain a fool. But thejedshed knows a thing or two and I know, for your sake, that indeed, you very soul is miserable. If it is not now, it is on its way. The sooner it arrives for you the better. There is not much time left. Choose life friend and repent from your present concepts. Will [you] listen finally. I did.
Romans and General Notes on the Book of Romans
http://www.htmlbible.com/kjv30/henry/H45...
What men of God say about Homosexuality
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
The Cutting Edge Main Page
http://cuttingedge.org
Homosexual articles
http://sitelevel.whatuseek.com/query.go?...
Leviticus 18
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
Institute for Creation Research
http://www.icr.org/
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
shocking and blasphemous NEW PLAY DEPICTS JESUS AND HIS DISCIPLES AS PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS
http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1178.cfm
what God says about Homosexuality
SIX-STEP ATTITUDINAL CHANGE PLAN
CHURCHES/HOMOSEXUALITY - SIGN OF THE END
WHAT SHOULD BE THE ATTITUDE OF THE CHURCH TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS
About My Life David Vann
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
Son of Man: The Mystical Path to Christ
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
Subject: no need to further
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
My very best friend
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
Dear-BrAelredBernard
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
USAID FOUND EXPLOITING CHILDREN AND PROMOTING HOMOSEXUALITY
In Fairness
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
the greatest danger the church faces comes from within
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...
your gaily news "If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?" Psalm 11:3
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1...

GALATIANS some of my notes that are unedited:
Deliver us from this present evil world.
Liberty and redeemed us from the curse of the Law. Judgment-Condemnation.
We are adopted sons.
We are a demonstrated in all of eternity as the Grace of God. - The offense of the cross(pride-morality-philosophy-culture-will of God-Pride of God- and man himself- who are you to tell me?
Called unto Liberty. Gospel of Grace- Only made through the Holy Spirit-
Desire to please God because we love him. If They love me, they keep my commands.
People are too good. You are not BAD enough. Christ saves sinners.
PRINCIPLE: WALK IN THE SPIRIT - desire of the flesh, man has no power. The flesh and the spirit war with each other. You cannot do WHAT YOU would. ALL IMPORTANT
The believer has a new nature (flesh is flesh-spirit is spirit)
THE CHILD OD GOD IS PRONE TO WORHSIP GOD - the new nature
The old nature is fast to run into sin.
If you are lead by the Holy Spirit you are not under condemnation of the law.
The Flesh Sensual Sins - Fornication-prostitution
Religious sins Idolatry-Money. witchcraft- sorcery-drugs
Social sins strife, immolation-rivalry, wrath, sedition’s, heresy, envying, hatred-murder
Personal sins drunkenness gluttony
The prodigal son, got out of the pig pin. He did not stay in it
THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT
God wants fruit [parables-branch and vine [John 15]
Fruit is not produced by effort. [abide in Christ]
Fruit is produced by yielding to the Holy Spirit [love is the fruit]
the fruit is 3 inward 3 outward 3 to God = a triangle
love-joy-peace (heart) long-suffering-gentleness-goodness-faithfulness-meekness-temprenace/self control
live in the spirit (means learn to walk-trial and error) This is a do it yourself [vain-glory]
I AM A FRUIT INSPECTOR
Works of the flesh: (what you do-10 commandments are for control)
Sensual-Religious-Social-Personal
Aelred states
Wendell Your lack of exegesis which means, "critical interpretation of a text (especially of the Bible).
YOUR ARE RIGHT, YOU HAVEN’T SAID ANYTHING WORTHWHILE AND WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN I COMPLETELY REJECT AS FALSE AND NOT COMING FROM GOD AND WHOM YOU QUOTE TO SUPPORT YOUR BELIEFS ARE SPREADIND LIES AGAISNT THE BIBLE. I CAN RECOGNIZE A FALSE TEACHER AND REJECT THEM, BUT THANKS BE TO GOD I’M NOT REJECTING THE BIBLE. WHO IS "ALL" I’M REJECTING. YOU WRITE IN GENERALITIES WHICH CAN BE EASILTY SHOWN AS FALSE. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THAT I USE SOLID EXEGISIS WHILE YOU AND YOUR COHORTS USE EISEGESIS. YOU MEAN YOU DON’T EVEN RECOGNIZE THE "SURENESS OF YOUR CONVICTION" BUT YOU CAN CONDEMN THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU. WHAT HYPROCRISY. YOU’RE WRONG IN YOU ASSUMPTION ONCE AGAIN AS MY STANDING IS IN CHRIST JESUS. WILL YOU STOP LYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR BELIEFS. STOP ASSUMING. ALL I’VE BEEN DOING IS QUOTING SCRIPTURE AND ALL YOU’VE BEEN DOING IS QUOTING OTHERS PEOPLE. IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF GOD’S WORD AND A COMPLETE LOVE AND RESPECT GOD AND GOD’S WORD. YOU FAILED AGAIN TO POINT OUT WHAT PART OF LOVE I DON’T UNDERSTAND...ARE YOU ASSUMING AGAIN? AS LONG AS YOU POST LIES I’LL KEEP RESPONDING. YOU HAVE FAILED 100% IN SHOWING WHERE I’VE MISQUOTED SCRIPTURE AND YOU HAVE FAILED 100% AT SHOWING THAT THE TEXT IS REFERRING TO HOMOSEXUALITY. YOU ARE GUILTY OF FALSE DOCTRINE THAT WAS PREDICTED AS PART OF THE LAST DAYS. YOU APPEAR TO BE WISE AND JUSTIFED IN YOUR MISLEADING PEOPLE. I DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU ASSUME THAT THE CROSS OF CHRIST IS AN OFFENSE TO ME. IT IS LIFE AND LOVE. ARE YOU ASSUMING AGAIN? OKAY...YOU ARE ASSUMING AGAIN. MAYBE YOUR FALSE TEACHING IS THE LEAVEN AND YOU’RE BLINDED BY YOUR OWN SUBJECTIVE BELIEFS BY MISQUOTING THE BIBLE. I FINALLY GET IT: YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE GENERALIZATIONS AND LIES YOU MAKE AGAINST ME. WOW...BECAUSE YOU MAKE A STATEMENT DOESN’T MAKE THEM TRUE! OF COURSE I DOUBT YOU WOULD EVEN UNDERSTAND THESE VERSES, BUT SOON IT IS MY HOPE YOU WILL. FOR YOUR SAKE I HOPE MY FRIEND.
Thank you my friend. For my sake then, indeed.
The Triune revelations in Oliver vs the Sword of the Spirit
It comes to me with sadness that none have even bothered to ask what these are. I wanted you to discover them. I make mention of this for the very fact of our previous argument concerning Gifts and The Apostles. A group was created for The Gifts. Much information is there. However, Spiritual Gifts, if utilized will be revealed. My gifts were revealed. None gathered to witness as again [I stood alone]. You know friends, this gets old. Will not one of you self-professing Christians look with your blinders off and see what is going on.
I can only say thank you to hawknut who encouraged me. His gift of encouragement prompted my gift of edification and exhortation. Yet it was not realized. And for that I have lost interest in this place. And so it is then. All I really want to say is for Hawknut. You have stood Firm and I thank you for this. You possess the Sword of the Spirit my friend and I wish to continue in our communications. I have learned from you. Please remember the mention of my friend awhile back. For it is a testimony of truth. His name is Ian. Pray for him that he may be saved. Pray for me my brother, as so to encourage me to continue with the battle of bringing down his stronghold. For it is strong and fortified and requires great spiritual strength to bring it down. This is why I have said that I have stood alone. For none came to help me in this battle. And when mentioned, none really cared. Yet for truths sake I mentioned it. As a witness for myself and for my friend. Pray for me then, that I may continue in his battle, as I purposed it in my heart 3 years ago. Pray then that I may have the fortitude to continue in a seemingly impossible task, which growns weary and burdensome. For it is the battle itself.
A man here claimed the "vile intentions of my heart". This is [Raca Thou Fool] friends. That is a killer type of statement and it is this that punctures the heart and has withheld the delivery the fruit, at least that which I am seeking. Besides, none rebuked that in my stance. As again I stood alone. You may say whatever you wish about thejedshed [Wendell] but I can promise you this: I possess the largest Sword of the Spirit possible save the Sword itself. Trust that Friends. I say this for your edification as to make you aware of these gifts and to utilize and grab hold of them. I could not lie about this as I cannot lie to God or myself. I have lost interest here. Even this particular message has become redundant as I have lost interest in finishing it. Maybe one of you can take it and add to it. As for me, who cares really. I certainly don’t as their blood is far from me. They remain stupid fools.
There is no hope for a man who is turned unto lust. He is nearly finished. And so is this message.
One triune revelation of my post: (there are 3 total)
It is the center The post of that message is 34 pages. (10 font). On the center page(17) was hawknut words on "drive them out with the Sword." The center message is the same as the center of the bible: Psalms:118:8: It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. (look at the title again of that message)
Antonyms and Synonyms: Their words our words in comparison.
The message was a message of Judgment: 3 sets of 3 revelations = 9 the number of Judgment
Hints for the others:
Music [lyrics] Us and them-in correlation to the gifts in contrast to accusations presented by Oliver(see Them that believe-message: Us and Them) [Us and Them - to be posted in following message]
Times and Dates example: the message was posted 8-1 (9)
Page Numbers 34. 3+4= [7] the number of Divine Perfection
17 is the center = [8] is the number of resurrection [The Sword-The Word became Flesh]
Relativism (synonym and antonyms] in contrast to Truth [they are exact to each our own words]
Encarta and Morality accusations of a liar- proving a hypocrite
2 sets of 3 people: [6] people = the number of man
and more.
James:3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

2Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts
2Tm:3:13-16
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Wendell aka thejedshed

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